Comments on: Sikhism and local conversation. http://nonessentialtravel.com/2009/10/sikhism-and-local-conversation/ ...who listens to government advisories anyway? Thu, 05 Jan 2012 07:37:53 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Evan http://nonessentialtravel.com/2009/10/sikhism-and-local-conversation/comment-page-1/#comment-155 Evan Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:42:06 +0000 http://nonessentialtravel.com/?p=167#comment-155 word dude. during that buddhism course i talked to a few people about why the dalai lama is such a big deal even though he's only the head of one of the four traditions of tibetan buddhism. they really didn't believe me when i talked about war. i'd like to read some more about the war between the sects. but they eat meat and stuff in tibet, they have to because agriculture is almost impossible there for so much of the year. you just got to purify that negative karma with a few hundred thousand mantras to vajrasattva or whatever. let me know if you find out more about it. word dude. during that buddhism course i talked to a few people about why the dalai lama is such a big deal even though he’s only the head of one of the four traditions of tibetan buddhism.

they really didn’t believe me when i talked about war. i’d like to read some more about the war between the sects. but they eat meat and stuff in tibet, they have to because agriculture is almost impossible there for so much of the year. you just got to purify that negative karma with a few hundred thousand mantras to vajrasattva or whatever.

let me know if you find out more about it.

]]> By: drop zone http://nonessentialtravel.com/2009/10/sikhism-and-local-conversation/comment-page-1/#comment-148 drop zone Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:25:00 +0000 http://nonessentialtravel.com/?p=167#comment-148 (sorry to congest your wall but this quote's a banga) "The crucial moment in Tibetan ritual dances comes when the priests stab an effigy personifying the demon forces. This ritual is thought to repeat a monk's murder of King Glang dar ma (842), a persecutor of Buddhism (as such, clearly "possessed" by Evil). Various other theories use this same casuistry, including the idea that it is just to kill out of charity or compassion, to prevent another person from comitting evil." (sorry to congest your wall but this quote’s a banga)

“The crucial moment in Tibetan ritual dances comes when the priests stab an effigy personifying the demon forces. This ritual is thought to repeat a monk’s murder of King Glang dar ma (842), a persecutor of Buddhism (as such, clearly “possessed” by Evil). Various other theories use this same casuistry, including the idea that it is just to kill out of charity or compassion, to prevent another person from comitting evil.”

]]> By: drop zone http://nonessentialtravel.com/2009/10/sikhism-and-local-conversation/comment-page-1/#comment-147 drop zone Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:18:55 +0000 http://nonessentialtravel.com/?p=167#comment-147 okay, wow, this seems like a much better place to start than Wikipedia: Buddhism and Violence by Bernard Faure, Professor of Religious Studies at Stanford University; published December 6, 2003 http://www.sangam.org/articles/view/?id=118 okay, wow, this seems like a much better place to start than Wikipedia:

Buddhism and Violence

by Bernard Faure, Professor of Religious Studies at Stanford University; published December 6, 2003

http://www.sangam.org/articles/view/?id=118

]]> By: d-trip http://nonessentialtravel.com/2009/10/sikhism-and-local-conversation/comment-page-1/#comment-146 d-trip Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:08:49 +0000 http://nonessentialtravel.com/?p=167#comment-146 After reading what you wrote about Sikhism's departure from Buddhism in the whole non-violence department, I went to Wikipedia to try and find out about the Dalai Lama's Gelukpa sect's rise to power over the whole of Tibet. All of the articles speak vaguely about how the Guluks 'defeated their enemies' and forced temples to convert, etc, but very little explicit info about actual murdering and violence and stuff. So I have to wonder, how complete, really, is the Buddhist disavowal of violence? I'm not trying to point at some scandal or anything, but I think it would be fascinating if there was Buddhist literature and culture surrounding something like a just or holy war. If there is no such record of Tibetan Buddhist justifications for violence, and if such acts occurred, then as far as I can tell there's some Stalinist-type shit going on in the shadows of the Lamaist state. But i think there has to be some documentation on it.. I guess what I'm looking for is a Tibetan Trotsky to explain righteous violence, but through a Buddhist paradigm. This is an un-preposterous line of reasoning, isn't it? After reading what you wrote about Sikhism’s departure from Buddhism in the whole non-violence department, I went to Wikipedia to try and find out about the Dalai Lama’s Gelukpa sect’s rise to power over the whole of Tibet. All of the articles speak vaguely about how the Guluks ‘defeated their enemies’ and forced temples to convert, etc, but very little explicit info about actual murdering and violence and stuff. So I have to wonder, how complete, really, is the Buddhist disavowal of violence? I’m not trying to point at some scandal or anything, but I think it would be fascinating if there was Buddhist literature and culture surrounding something like a just or holy war. If there is no such record of Tibetan Buddhist justifications for violence, and if such acts occurred, then as far as I can tell there’s some Stalinist-type shit going on in the shadows of the Lamaist state. But i think there has to be some documentation on it.. I guess what I’m looking for is a Tibetan Trotsky to explain righteous violence, but through a Buddhist paradigm. This is an un-preposterous line of reasoning, isn’t it?

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